This situation was brought to my attention from one of our first year umpires.
The situation came up during a game. It was his first plate game. The visiting team had a runner on third with a 3-0 count. The next pitch was a wild pitch that went to back stop. The batter-runner advances to first and the runner on third scores.
The coach on the home team comes arguing that the ball should be dead and the runner should go back to third. This was discussed between partners and they decided that the ball does not become dead unless it goes out of play on this situation. After the game to coach approached again very friendly and insisted that the ball is dead and no run scores.
I will comment below. These are the situations we should be discussing on the blog. Continue to send them to me or simply comment on a previous one and I will stick it in. Good job guys.
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You guys were correct. The coach may have been mistaken by some lower level kids rules. This certainly is not the case in high school. The ball is live unless it goes out of play and still the runner scores. So you were right and the idea that the runner stays is honestly ridiculous. Do not be surprised that some of the JV and Freshman coaches do not know the rules very well. Do not let them talk you into something that you do not think is correct. These levels are for learning. It's not just the kids. It can be the umpires and coaches. Great job and keep asking questions. It only makes you better.
ReplyDeleteI would refrain from stating "JV and Freshman coaches do not know the rules very well." This could be misconstrued and taken wrong. These levels are for learning! I am not comfortable in any form of criticism towards anybody.
ReplyDeleteGREAT work Ricky!
Thanks. If I could rephrase, " Do not be surprised that, at times some coaches will not completely know the correct rules". This is not to be considered unfair criticism. I see a lot a baseball games every year. Both from the bench and from the field. Some have a great understanding of the rules and some simply are still learning. Also I agree as previously stated that these levels are for learning.
ReplyDeleteAlso everyone if you post as Anonymous please sign your name. Thanks
Ricky
ReplyDeleteYour correct in your ruling also be aware that this was ball 4 and it remains alive unless it lodges behind the boards or goes through the fence on this field. The batter runner has the right to first base no matter what else happened at the plate but he may also still advance at his own risk beyond first base so don't get to quick to call time to accommodate the coach and kill the play.
Thanks Dana. I hope I did not come across any differently than what you stated. You are correct in what you said. Thanks
ReplyDeleteWhat happened is one of two things.
ReplyDelete1. The coach truly thought the ball was dead and the runner at third moves back, or
2. He was playing on newer umpires to try and take a run off the board.
Good job of standing your ground.
tj
You guys were correct. There was one of two possibilities here. One, the coach truly was ignorant of the rule. Two, he knew but was playing on a newer umpire's lack of experience. Anyway it happened, the crew did a good job of coming together--rule interpretation, one of the reasons you get together, and standing your ground.
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If the ball was 'dead' because it went out of play the result would have been the same. B-R gets first base and R3 would get home. The only way I could see it being dead (since it was not described this way) would be if the ball was stuck under the fence (i.e. Civic stadium). The only thing to enforce if anything is a quick B-R trying to advance to 2nd base.
ReplyDeleteGarrett Wilson